Hi all,

Just had a good look round the car after getting over the original excitement of getting it, and found a storage area on the right hand side of the boot....it has a lttle clipped flap on it.

Under the flap there is a little storage recess and what looks like a radio DIN blanking plate.......

What's this location used for??? Should there be something in there??

Ta,

/G

Is it where the amp for the cabasse is?

Errrrrr...........amp???? I have an amp???

I am not sure. I seem to remember on the CC's with cabbase there is one fitted near where you described. I may be wrong.

Hi,

It's the 40w amp for your Cabasse upgraded stereo m8!

Cheers
Hugh

:D

I can confirm its the amp for the cabasse unit as well.

Ooooo....I have an amp!!!!!

Is there anything under there I can play with, or isn't it worth the hassle dismantling the boot???

One question then, If I change my headunit some time, is it a direct replacement using the amp or do I have to 'rewire'??????? I realise I may need a loom adaptor from, say, autoleads.

/G

Im afraid if you've got the cabasse unit, then you can not change the headunit.

Im afraid if you've got the cabasse unit, then you can not change the headunit.

What, not at all?????

Friad not mate. I have exactly the same unit. If you take it out and have a look at the back, there's only 6 wires. There are no speaker cables in the back. The cabasse unit is not a stereo was we know it. The unit runs of a canbus lead straight to the ECU. The only way to change the headunit would be to re wire the car !!!!

They don't make that well know, do they!!!!

Surely they expect people some time in the car's life to change the headunit, they should make that quite clear!!!

I was planning to fit a car kit and then use one of those ISO mute cable to channel the sound through the speakers......shafted would be a good word!!! :(

Yes Mate, Renault have pulled a fast one. So if your stereo goes wrong after warranty, you have to buy another one from them !!!!

You can have a sound system in your car, a bit like my install although you will have to keep the original headunit.

You'll find majority of the Renault sales team, and even the service / parts department don't really know about it either !!!!! Well they don't at the Renault dealerships near me.

As for the hands free kit mate, i think your pretty much buggered there. Although it might be worth just looking into.

What about the AUX that I have seen in the menu listings???? What's this all about??? Anyone connected to it and use it??

I'm getting desperate!!!!!

Anyone had it out with Renault yet on this issue????

Ive not had it out with Renault as there's not that many of us with the stereo upgrade and those that have got it don't really care about upgrading / changing the headunit.

Not sure on the aux bit.

Ive sent an email to a company who specilise in Canbus systems making enquiries with the stereo.

It would seem to me that if the Cabasse unit is spec'ed, that there should be some sort of warning issued that if you wish to have after-market radio or intergrated handsfree installed either don't have it or spec the handsfree pre-wiring!!!!!

Ooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :x

I have to agree. Ive got a handsfree kit in mine, although got the seperate speaker, which is hidden. Not got the mute facility though.

Im glad theres at least one other person that feels the same way as me !!! :twisted: :twisted:

I'm glad I didn't choose that now

I think they'll be a few people feeling like that. Be intertesting to see if Renault have incorporated it in the standard headunits on the new facelift !!!

This all the CANbus stuff?

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if the stereos on the new facelift are all canbus now.

Hasn't it been canbus on Megane since last year? The update list units are all using Canbus I think. Can anyone confirm this?

Davelee wrote


Im glad theres at least one other person that feels the same way as me !!!


And me mate, what a complete waste of money that upgrade turned out to be :x :x

Can't even connect the Dension I Pod link to play through the CD Channel. :cry:

Oh, well!!!

Five days it's taken for me to be totally miffed with the car!!!! I have to have it 'as built' until I get rid of it!!!! But not without kicking and screaming first!!!!!

All I wanted to do is have a DAB head unit and a wired car-kit, that's all....no big ICE installs, lowering kits, replacement wheels or the like, just a god damn radio and a telephone car kit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Woooooo, hold that thought.

What if I said I may have stumbled on to something will poking around with my oscilloscope.......geeky I know :lol:

The amp has unused connections which I believe are the Aux or CD in connectors?!?!?!

If interested, I could publish my findings when I have found I believe to be true???????

http://forum.limburg.org/viewtopic.php?t=733&sid=49fdddd64d3b7ad1ffa08e80f4830683

Installing a parrot kit in the Megane with cabasse.

Woooooo, hold that thought.

What if I said I may have stumbled on to something will poking around with my oscilloscope.......geeky I know :lol:

The amp has unused connections which I believe are the Aux or CD in connectors?!?!?!

If interested, I could publish my findings when I have found I believe to be true???????

Let us know how you get on mate. I personally haven't taken the renault amp out, so don't know what it looks like.

OK, will hopfully take pictures along the way to document for future reference.

Thanks ado, not exactly technically rich....but we have to start somewhere!!

If you trace the speaker wire to the back of the speakers then you can connect the handsfree unit to them.


:wink:

Adam, Im not 100% sure if there are speaker wires in the speakers, not only that, you wouldn't get the mute facility :lol:

There must be wires in the speakers, i'll look into the mute facillity,


Where theres a will theres a way!

Ill have to have a look at the speakers, you sure the canbus doesn't control the speakers as well.

not sure dave haven't looked at the canbus sytem in too much detail, would have said the will have speaker wire.


let me know how you get on! :wink:

Will do mate. Any idea which is the best speaker to get at?

one in your car mate should do it! :lol: :lol:


Try the drivers side if not try the back ones!

You might find this of use, i can unerstand the use of it for the ECU to control the brakes and other sensors, but the frigging stereo!
bit OTT in my opinion

http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_CAN.html

did find that. Could make head or tail of it :lol:

This is why renno use it!
CANbus control units and HMIs (human machine interfaces) are used in a wide variety of functions in mobile and stationary applications. Via the various configurable inputs and outputs it is possible to connect all types of sensors and actuators directly to the control unit; the user-programmed controller monitors the system inputs and allows either closed loop or open loop control of the outputs. This way, components such as proportional valves can be controlled directly.

Together with extended diagnostics functions and the CAN interface, the system offers unmatched in-service facilities.

In case of failure (such as broken cables or short circuits) it allows users to restore the vehicle to safe conditions and provides service staff with the right tools for quick and easy diagnostics.
With the additional possibility of remote (wireless) maintained diagnostics, the CANbus is capable of making a significant contribution to increased vehicle availability and productivity.

More and more vehicle manufacturers and automotive component suppliers are realising the benefits of the CANbus system.
This technology has now reached a stage where internationally agreed standards exist, so that different manufacturers' electronics can communicate together.

Canbus should save money on all the wiring as you don't need as much. It is also suppose to be more reliable. Anyway I was looking at the price list and it has a dealer fit parrot handsfree kit, how do they do it?

Cheers phil, ive heard as well that every car manufacturer will have to use the canbus system by 2008. Although some will connect everything to it and some won't. ie the stereo.

did find that. Could make head or tail of it :lol:

Like you say the ECU can control everything on a single 9wire BUS system, reducing the amount of wires.
It just streams data, asynchronously (start/stop bit rather than using the BandWidth constantly) as and when it needs to.

I guess the audio signals are just passed around the car in this manner aswell.

I think that the new mini will have 2 canbus in it, or maybe the current mini.

Canbus should save money on all the wiring as you don't need as much. It is also suppose to be more reliable. Anyway I was looking at the price list and it has a dealer fit parrot handsfree kit, how do they do it?

Guess that just plugs into an Auxillary port then?

I know peugeot have it as well. It quite good in some ways, less faults, although buggered if you want to change the stereo.

I know peugeot have it as well. It quite good in some ways, less faults, although buggered if you want to change the stereo.

Well you could run your own 12Volt supply and some speaker wire, totally seperate, i guess there is still a normal Antenna socket?
Or did you say it plays up if the stereo is removed?

Someone on MOC installed double din sat nav on their update list car so there must be someway to change the head.

I don't even think there is an antenna in the back of the stereo. Don't remember seeing one anyway. I think you could re-wire it, big job though. Im sure the bloke at the car audio place said that it will lead to other problems as well doing it that way. Not sure though.

I don't even think there is an antenna in the back of the stereo. Don't remember seeing one anyway. I think you could re-wire it, big job though. Im sure the bloke at the car audio place said that it will lead to other problems as well doing it that way. Not sure though.

I'm guessing that if the stereo is removed the ECU will know about it, wouldn't suprise me if it went to limp mode! :lol:

There must be an antenna somewhere BTW

Yea you can just re-wire a new radio, a permanent live, a switched live, speaker wires and basically thats a new radio.

Not sure where it is though. Ado, according to Renault technicians at two seperate delaers, the streo can not be changed, unless it was re-wired. They both could be wrong though.

Yea you can just re-wire a new radio, a permanent live, a switched live, speaker wires and basically thats a new radio.

You'd loose your steering wheel control and dash display.

It can all be added and modded if you reallllly wanted to.

Davelee wrote


Im glad theres at least one other person that feels the same way as me !!!


And me mate, what a complete waste of money that upgrade turned out to be :x :x

Can't even connect the Dension I Pod link to play through the CD Channel. :cry:

can have a look for you tomorow matey see wat can be done for you.

Cheers Andy

See you tomorrow

Be interested too, Andy.

I don't know, go to bed, the next thing I know there's loads of replies!!!

/G

It can all be added and modded if you reallllly wanted to.

Adam, i doubt you'd be able to keep the original controls and dash display, trust me its not the usual cables you'd expect to see. Its totally different to my old meggy.

We rewired a ford focus wheel control once and connected it to a windows pc game controller circuit board and then plugged into a car computer via a usb cable so its deffinately possible! :wink:


Just all comes down to time and money, everything is possible! :wink:

Adam, how can you keep the orginal dash display and steering control when its the canbus system? Ive sent countless emails across the world and everyone saying the same, originals can't be done. I would let you try on mine, but don't want it to end up like andy's :oops:

Adam, how can you keep the orginal dash display and steering control when its the canbus system? Ive sent countless emails across the world and everyone saying the same, originals can't be done. I would let you try on mine, but don't want it to end up like andy's :oops:

If you can get a look at the wires on the back of the display on the canbus system and a look at the standard one then take it from there,


I'll have to do a little bit more research on one before i took the job on, but i'm sure its possible.


What do you want to do with it?


Just change the headunit?

To be honest mate, im not looking at doing anything as im happy with it with the way ive got it now.

After all that i hear you say!!!!

Going back to the original first post, think someone else might want something doing.

:lol: :lol:


I'm sure it can be done without a shadow of doubt.


Once we find out the way canbus works, all you have to do is just work with it and once you work out how it ticks then just go with the flow.


:wink:

Adam, do some research mate and we'll speak again :lol: :lol:

Will do fella,


See what i can concoct up! :lol: