: wats better ? a panel filter or an induction kit



andy bassett
03-02-2006, 11:12:12
ok my fello 225 owners, here is a question for you,

im running a K&N panel filter.
as most of you know im running the larger intercooler now and soon will be the re-map from RS-TUNING (paul) along with the zorst modifications and soon de-cat for some bigger bhp gains.

my question to you all is:

1.Should i keep the standard airbox with the K&N panel filter in
2.change the panel filter to another brand ie. ITG, GREEN or other.
3.run the standard panel filter in the air box
4.fit an induction kit.

all i want is for the car to run at its best so if you think running an induction kit will be better for better air flow and will help with the extra bhp please let me konw,
or if you think running the standard air box with the extra power will be fine with an upgraded panel filter also please let me know.

not sure wat to do on this one so you views and comments would be cool.

andy b :D

meggerman
03-02-2006, 11:45:13
get the BBPT Green induction kit, run the custom feed to it. create a heat sheild on one side so the sound is still there but you dont drag hot air in from the engine



http://www.bbperformancetuning.co.uk/articles/i/49_2.jpg

Original - 223 BHP and 231 lbs/ft of torque*

BB Exhaust and induction kit fitted - 241 BHP and 247 lbs/ft of torque*

that without a remap even ! 8)

i think the exhaust is just a revised back box section, so main gains are from induction. of course on their RR`d they would have the blowers in fron on the car with the bonnet open, hence why you should make a custom semi heat shield for it.
alternativley Kteck sell the full enclosed Viperx induction kit for the 225 but th sound wont be as loud as bbpt`s and its more expensive also.. but potencaily has better gains if only on warm days due to it being sealed.

go for induction, panel filters give a tiny bit more noise and flow and in some cars make a real difference but not so much as a custom feed + keep the original feed also (which you cant do on the viperx due to it being closed and only running one direct feed)

anyways have a look at the BBPT one.

andy bassett
03-02-2006, 12:04:42
as an idea what about soink like this then

sealed induction kit with air feed ( have already got air feed tho )

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Universal-Diavlo-Real-Carbon-Forced-Induction-Kit_W0QQitemZ8033376670QQcategoryZ36680QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

andy bassett
03-02-2006, 12:06:38
or this one

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EVO-SPORT-UNIVERSAL-INDUCTION-KIT-BLACK-CARBON_W0QQitemZ8035283452QQcategoryZ36680QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem

andy bassett
03-02-2006, 12:10:41
or even this cheap little thing, is still a sealed induction kit and im able to to put the iair feed right into the end of it. not bad for the money.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Carbon-Fibre-High-Flow-Induction-Kit-Universal-150mm_W0QQitemZ8033985118QQcategoryZ36680QQtcZphot oQQcmdZViewItem

shinyautos.com
03-02-2006, 12:12:06
or even this cheap little thing, is still a sealed induction kit and im able to to put the iair feed right into the end of it. not bad for the money.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Carbon-Fibre-High-Flow-Induction-Kit-Universal-150mm_W0QQitemZ8033985118QQcategoryZ36680QQtcZphot oQQcmdZViewItem


This looks good for the money mate.

andy bassett
03-02-2006, 12:22:04
found these as well


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-ALL-ALLOY-HEAT-SHIELD-FOR-INDUCTION-CONE-AIR-FILTER_W0QQitemZ8034850852QQcategoryZ36680QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Stainless-Steel-Induction-Air-Filter-Heat-Shield_W0QQitemZ8034926346QQcategoryZ36680QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

BlackRat250
03-02-2006, 12:23:10
Go to bloody work !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

shinyautos.com
03-02-2006, 12:24:29
Go to bloody work !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Me or Andy!? :lol: :lol:

meggerman
03-02-2006, 12:24:32
if its universal then why does it list specific models ??

also you want the cotton gauze and pipe to be as big as possible i may add

BlackRat250
03-02-2006, 12:26:30
Go to bloody work !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Me or Andy!? :lol: :lol:

Adam, knowing you, your probably at work !!!

Andy could be unless he's working from home answering 118 500 and saying numbers not listed :lol: :lol: :lol:

andy bassett
03-02-2006, 12:28:55
im on nights :lol:

BlackRat250
03-02-2006, 12:29:29
im on nights :lol:

Answering 118 500 :lol: :lol:

andy bassett
03-02-2006, 12:30:15
if its universal then why does it list specific models ??

also you want the cotton gauze and pipe to be as big as possible i may add

so would this be the better option from the list above, only £62 all in.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EVO-SPORT-UNIVERSAL-INDUCTION-KIT-BLACK-CARBON_W0QQitemZ8035283452QQcategoryZ36680QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem

meggerman
03-02-2006, 12:30:19
Go to bloody work !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

i should also, ive been posting on forums for nearly 4years at work now :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :twisted: must have spent more time on `da web than working

gotta love public sector :o

BlackRat250
03-02-2006, 12:31:36
Go to bloody work !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

i should also, ive been posting on forums for nearly 4years at work now :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :twisted: must have spent more time on `da web than working

gotta love public sector :o

Ha, public sector, :lol: :lol:

shinyautos.com
03-02-2006, 12:39:02
Go to bloody work !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Me or Andy!? :lol: :lol:

Adam, knowing you, your probably at work !!!



Yup! :lol:

andy bassett
04-02-2006, 08:17:17
will have to have a measure up and see if this one will fit.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EVO-SPORT-UNIVERSAL-INDUCTION-KIT-BLACK-CARBON_W0QQitemZ8035283452QQcategoryZ36680QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem

rg230r26
04-02-2006, 16:29:55
I have got the itg filter fitted to mine

Richard

Jon Seal
04-02-2006, 17:14:28
Andy have you got the measurements for that filter? If it fits shall we do a group buy on it?

I'd love a viper but they are soooo expensive for what they are.

I would definately get a sealed kit as the noise you get from an open kit will drive you insane

phil
04-02-2006, 19:46:02
John you can buy one similar in Halfrauds, a shielded filter with a long hose think its around 40-60 quid
might be worth a look next time you pass by
phil

Jon Seal
04-02-2006, 21:38:19
I've found another on ebay same setup as the viper with cold air feed, asked him about a price for 5 he has them on ebay for 60 quid so we'll see what he says, got to be better than forking out 250 quid for a viper

phil
04-02-2006, 21:42:03
What is the diameter of the pipe connecting to the airbox?
i'd like a snug fitting one not universal with them crappy spacer rings
phil

Jon Seal
04-02-2006, 22:34:23
gonna measure up tomorrow but I think its 80mm

phil
04-02-2006, 23:05:11
This looks good RAMAIR aswell

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RAMAIR-MAXFLOW-UNIVERSAL-75MM-INDUCTION-KIT-air-filter_W0QQitemZ8035692289QQcategoryZ36680QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem

Jon Seal
05-02-2006, 08:13:12
this geezer will do these at 50 quid each if I get 5 so will have to see what postage is but prollyabout 6 quid, he lives not far off me so I can collect

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Carbon-Fibre-Cold-Air-Induction-Kit-Ram-Air-Shielded_W0QQitemZ8034737049QQcategoryZ36680QQrdZ1 QQcmdZViewItem

anyone intrested in that?

Alex
05-02-2006, 09:25:18
i might be but im confused here due to my lack of knowledge on cars.

An induction kit...... that does what?
I saw Andy last night looking at the hose on Jamies which i think it is.

also how would it be fitted and where?

andy bassett
05-02-2006, 12:49:01
this geezer will do these at 50 quid each if I get 5 so will have to see what postage is but prollyabout 6 quid, he lives not far off me so I can collect

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Carbon-Fibre-Cold-Air-Induction-Kit-Ram-Air-Shielded_W0QQitemZ8034737049QQcategoryZ36680QQrdZ1 QQcmdZViewItem

anyone intrested in that?

i will be mate keep me posted, :D

Alex
05-02-2006, 17:30:31
im interested.....depending on how easy are they to fit?

craigyR27
05-02-2006, 20:17:28
i have a viper and love it

here some pics

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b264/craigy225/viperformeg225004.jpg (http://photobucket.com)

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b264/craigy225/viperformeg225003.jpg (http://photobucket.com)

viper all the way for me that and me zorst sounds the nuts

Alex
05-02-2006, 20:56:47
ok so the hose on the right runs to where exactly?

craigyR27
05-02-2006, 21:04:22
mine follows the standard renault feed to the front ktec fitted mine so just saw the final product :D

Alex
05-02-2006, 21:05:57
so my guess is that its a bumper off job then

craigyR27
05-02-2006, 21:09:10
na dont think so well not on mine ktec didnt take mine off, depends if you want it to come to the front grill like andy's then its a bumper off job, didnt want mine down ther as thought it might suck up leaves and other crap etc

choice is yours mate really where you want daves runs to his wheel arch i think :wink:

Alex
05-02-2006, 21:12:45
I think this is something to look at whilst at the FCS as ive NEVER modded any car in my short life.

craigyR27
05-02-2006, 21:21:41
its alot of money believe me once you start its hard to stop

Alex
05-02-2006, 21:24:24
what benefit does it have to the car putting a induction kit on it....

Im considering taking the back box outta mine and Maybe considering a remap. Remap wont be for a couple of months though.

craigyR27
05-02-2006, 21:39:23
you gain a little more bhp get a little bit more sound (depending on what you go for ) will suck up more cold air, viper is expensive for what it is

Alex
05-02-2006, 21:44:42
ok.....that answers that.

Im still contemplating if i want an exhaust as loud as andys!!

craigyR27
05-02-2006, 21:53:45
i got ktecs exhaust can hear a clip on my website www.craigy225.com

sounds real nice and nice grunt sound clip gives you a rough idea what its like loud like andys in the flesh but he might have the edge :D

Alex
05-02-2006, 22:08:39
yours has a deeper tone when idling but andy's when he was accellerating hard was pretty.......shall we say aggressive.

andy bassett
06-02-2006, 08:30:07
Andy have you got the measurements for that filter? If it fits shall we do a group buy on it?

I'd love a viper but they are soooo expensive for what they are.

I would definately get a sealed kit as the noise you get from an open kit will drive you insane


here you matey

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Carbon-Fibre-Cold-Air-Induction-Kit-Ram-Air-Shielded_W0QQitemZ8034737049QQcategoryZ36680QQtcZp hotoQQcmdZViewItem

i have bought from this guy b4 and is very good, the silver hose/pipe is also very good quality thats wat iv got on mine now at the front,

keep me posted on costs etc as for the money think this might be my best option for an induction kit while keeping the noise to a minimum

denty225
06-02-2006, 23:10:10
this geezer will do these at 50 quid each if I get 5 so will have to see what postage is but prollyabout 6 quid, he lives not far off me so I can collect

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Carbon-Fibre-Cold-Air-Induction-Kit-Ram-Air-Shielded_W0QQitemZ8034737049QQcategoryZ36680QQrdZ1 QQcmdZViewItem

anyone intrested in that?

Jon that looks ok but do you know how long it is? The pics of Craigs viper look like they have cut the renault inlet pipe a bit to get it in straight. Also is the filter suitable for turbo cars? The inlet pipe inside diameter is a piffling 65mm, measured mine today.

andy bassett
07-02-2006, 07:22:16
DENTY

All fitting parts supplied with kit

DIMENSIONS

Length: 260mm

Diameter: 135mm

Outlet diameter: 80mm + 60mm, 65mm and 70mm adaptors


am going to give it a check today to see if it will fit, it should go in nice and tidy i think.

denty225
07-02-2006, 16:10:17
I think your gonna have to have the filter vertical if you want it to fit andy. Maybe cut a coke bottle down to the same length to see if it will go in before spending your cash.
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/893/img02393qf.th.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img02393qf.jpg)

andy bassett
07-02-2006, 16:15:22
wel done mate i might just do that

andy bassett
07-02-2006, 22:14:46
yeah had a look and not got a bloody hope in hell of getting that to fit.

ok next idea.

Jacob
07-02-2006, 23:50:02
enlighten me here, what if any then are the differences between the pipercross viper and the ebay special andys lookin at?

andy bassett
08-02-2006, 08:14:11
about £200 :D
just im not willing to pay £250 for the viper kit wen some of these othere will do the job just as fine for a 5th of the price

craigyR27
08-02-2006, 19:13:53
i didnt pay £250 for mine wink wink :wink: :wink:

Jon Seal
08-02-2006, 22:21:49
dont forget that rubber inlet for the air intake moves back a good 10 cms, I had to move it back for the normal pipercross I had, that filter I think would go in at a 45 degree angle as the standard airbox is huge and leaves a lot of room with the rubber bit pushed to the left a bit, I might be able to bob over and get one this weekend so I'll let you all know if it fits!

andy bassett
08-02-2006, 22:25:17
i looked at one today it was 6"and half inches long and with a push it will fit in verticle as like you say the gap is huge but horizontal there is no chance

BlackRat250
09-02-2006, 13:57:47
i didnt pay £250 for mine wink wink :wink: :wink:

:wink: :wink: :wink: :lol: :lol: nor me :lol:

clioGT
22-11-2007, 10:30:31
so what do you think
itg panel or pipercross
which one is better for meg.?

Naith
22-11-2007, 10:33:58
ITG.

ive had both in, pipercross just sounds slightly better. work the ITG in and its good stuff!

clioGT
22-11-2007, 10:39:06
got ITG somedays ago.. and I'll try and see...:)

ClaneO
22-11-2007, 11:39:05
wow this is a realllly old thread was wondering why Andy was asking such a question lol!!
obviously ITG ;)

*JimmyJ*
22-11-2007, 12:35:00
I'll would go for a BMC CDA Andy!

http://www.bmcairfilters.com/infoCDA.asp

Best filter on the market

andy bassett
22-11-2007, 13:08:21
I'll would go for a BMC CDA Andy!

http://www.bmcairfilters.com/infoCDA.asp

Best filter on the market


dont fit , i tried!!

JOHN-MEGANE
22-11-2007, 15:52:27
I Would Go For Piper Cross Sealed Viper Induction Kit
Remap Chip Upgrade
Ask People On The Forum For Choice Of Exhaust Before Buying

*JimmyJ*
22-11-2007, 15:56:13
dont fit , i tried!!

ITG one is next best I think?

benje
22-11-2007, 15:59:40
what about for DCi's :)

donny_dog
22-11-2007, 16:08:38
what about for DCi's :)

Probably the same.

benje
22-11-2007, 16:12:12
Toot-toot.

The car should look a hoot after this weekend!

Deano
22-11-2007, 16:38:50
i thought you car was sorted running 269bhp

you trying to squies more out of her r u!!!!!!

ClaneO
22-11-2007, 19:04:25
old thread this one me thinks :)

andy bassett
23-11-2007, 11:40:24
this is a very old post!!

ITG all the way

andy bassett
23-11-2007, 11:44:49
I Would Go For Piper Cross Sealed Viper


there CRAP!!! waste of money and they dont gain you any power, in fact you loose it!!!

sam225f1
23-11-2007, 14:24:41
ITG ALL THE WAY TRIED FEW in my other car nothing worked but the panel filter