Just a bit on information regarding the actual time of the Megane GT165 0 - 60 time. I recently tested this and found out that i could hit 60 in 6.68 seconds quite a difference from the listed time of 8.3.

My car is completly standard aswell, maybe a few upgrades in the future but nothing at the moment.

Would be nice to know the actual time of the 225,230 ect.. would be nice to know other people 0-60 tested time ( not the listed time) but specify what engine you have.

Cheers.

where did u test it

Most Renaults will do less than the stated 0-60 time. I read somewhere that they measure that with 2 adults in the car and 50kg of weight in the boot. Would be interesting to know how you measured it

Just a bit on information regarding the actual time of the Megane GT165 0 - 60 time. I recently tested this and found out that i could hit 60 in 6.68 seconds quite a difference from the listed time of 8.3.


best going to a 0-60 track day or perhaps getting a gtek pro as they are fairly acurate, maybe yours had a 225 engine in it by mistake :D

id guess your would be more like 7.8 in reality.

best going to a 0-60 track day or perhaps getting a gtek pro as they are fairly acurate, maybe yours had a 225 engine in it by mistake :D

id guess your would be more like 7.8 in reality.

Thats what i have a gtek meter to meausre 0-60, g force, braking and stopping distance bought it off ebay. A while ago tested it on a few cars. My freind has a tuned cooper s about 210 bhp thats runing at 5.8 to 60 and another freind has a tuned RS Focus running at 5.2 to 60. So i do belive the results its showing.

You need to find a 225 owner near you and slap your gear in to test it..

whooooo 0-60 in 6.68 sec :scared:

i have a meg gt to and well i never tested it on th 0-60 but if it does what your saying it does i'll be well pleased....!

I would be very suprised too

Thats what i have a gtek meter to meausre 0-60, g force, braking and stopping distance bought it off ebay. A while ago tested it on a few cars. My freind has a tuned cooper s about 210 bhp thats runing at 5.8 to 60 and another freind has a tuned RS Focus running at 5.2 to 60. So i do belive the results its showing.

all of these figures seem way out especially for FWD cars there becomes a point where its just endless wheel spin unless you have a diff, even then its not totally eradicated its just pushed from one side to another i.e clips it down slightly.

certainley the 210hp john cooper s works wont do 5.8 to 60. and a 5.2 60 in in an FRS even with its diff seems out. going by your meter it seems 0.8 - 1 second out i.e

JCS mini 6.6
Meg GT165 7.6 (seems feasible)
FRS tuned ?? power (guessing bluefin, exhaust 270`ish hp) 5.9- 6.0 (only due to it having LSD)

so id wager your at best 7.6

cheers

bare in mind that the mini cooper s had LSD fitted as part of the chili pack from about march 06 or something...

all of these figures seem way out especially for FWD cars there becomes a point where its just endless wheel spin unless you have a diff, even then its not totally eradicated its just pushed from one side to another i.e clips it down slightly.

certainley the 210hp john cooper s works wont do 5.8 to 60. and a 5.2 60 in in an FRS even with its diff seems out. going by your meter it seems 0.8 - 1 second out i.e

JCS mini 6.6
Meg GT165 7.6 (seems feasible)
FRS tuned ?? power (guessing bluefin, exhaust 270`ish hp) 5.9- 6.0 (only due to it having LSD)

so id wager your at best 7.6

cheers

Well i find it hard to belive that you dont belive me as i used it on a 1.2 clio i had and got that at 10.4 to 60 so the results for my car are acurate and if youve been in a tuned cooper s before with a lsd you would know tht it is very fast and since its listed at 7.0 seconds its only 1.1 seconds faster than the listed time. Which it is doing the 0-60 in 5.9
As for the RS i dont have to explain that they are fast and everybody knows how rapid they are as ive been in it many times when its eaten M3's which are listed as much quicker.

The Gtec meter its gaurenteed to be within 100 of a second otherwise it wouldnt be worth making a product that would be in-accurate !

Im sure if you bought one and tested it on a 225, 230 ect they would be alot faster than the listed time.

Which Gtec do you have matey?

GT165, if your Clio did 10.4 0 - 60, i´m guessing my "R98" will do 2 Sec. less...once I have the results, I will post them here!

Regards

my 1.2 clio could 0-60 within the 10 sec mark

1.2 clios in the 10s? no way! how accurate was that? stopwatch?

god I think I just stood in some bull****, oh no sorry it was some of the results on here. No offence but it's an imposibiltity that a car weighing that much with that much power can do that speed, simple power to weight ratio's i'm afriad. 7.8 yes.

Ive got G-tech Pro and mine meassured 0-60 at 6.1 secs and 1/4 at 14.3 but power of 157bhp? thats nearly 70bhp down! so im a little scepticle




Browny

Ive got G-tech Pro and mine meassured 0-60 at 6.1 secs and 1/4 at 14.3 but power of 157bhp? thats nearly 70bhp down! so im a little scepticle




Browny

me too not to mention much less torque and different gearing + smaller higher profile tyres etc..

The GT is actually a tad lighter than the RS, bout 5kg :)

It has 30 less torque thingy than the RS (the GT Diesel has 40 more ). I suspect the GT Diesel with a remap or tuning box would be quicker than the GT165 probably down below 7 secs.

The GT is actually a tad lighter than the RS, bout 5kg :)

It has 30 less torque thingy than the RS (the GT Diesel has 40 more ). I suspect the GT Diesel with a remap or tuning box would be quicker than the GT165 probably down below 7 secs.

nah i dont belive that either, 1st gear in a hot diesel is completley useless for a start. and the reno derv engine goes from 160- 185 not 200.

however the renaultsport diesel with 175hp and most likely bigger cooler and injectors (although dont quote me on that) will probably map to 200bhp and would certainley be a shade under 7 secs.

Don't forget to get 60 in a diesel you need all 3 gears, also the 1st gear is useless due to wheel spin, so i'd say low 7's for a remapped tdi.

however the renaultsport diesel with 175hp and most likely bigger cooler and injectors (although dont quote me on that) will probably map to 200bhp and would certainley be a shade under 7 secs.

The dCi 175 in the Laguna GT is stated by Renault to do 0-60 in 8.4 and the Laguna is about 200kg heavier. The 175 will easily map to 200 I reckon.

Ive got G-tech Pro and mine meassured 0-60 at 6.1 secs and 1/4 at 14.3 but power of 157bhp? thats nearly 70bhp down! so im a little scepticle




Browny

157 bhp you obviously dont know the power owput as its 165 bhp.

I have the g tec performance pro. Its a well know fact the most cars hit 0-60 in alot less than the stated manufactures listed time so i really cant belive that so many people dissagre with me. Another member has even stated that his clio could hit 60 in 10 seconds so with my proven gtec the results must be correct for more than myself to get those results.

Ive inserted a link to a picture of the proven time shown by the Gtec Pro for anybody who doesnt belive me.
http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00106bx4.jpg

Were you going down a hill?

No the test was on a straight road the test was done 3 times, the results i had were:
6.92
6.88
6.68
so i just took the best time.

so your car can do it in 6.7 seconds but a 225 can only do it in 6.1?

an extra 60bhp and an extra 5kg in weight and you only get it down by 0.6 seconds? sorry mate, no way!

iirc pauls modified trophy was tested for the magazine feature of 5.9seconds and that was pushing somewhere between 280 and 300bhp...

your figures are wrong dude, sorry.

and a 1.2 clio will not be under 10 seconds to 60, as said, power to weight won't allow it to happen!!

how much power would a 1.2 clio produce? 70 - 75bhp?

how much power would a 1.2 clio produce? 70 - 75bhp?

Old shape (lets be generous and choose the 16v) about 75bhp. 0-60 in 13 seconds :)

IIRC the 1.6 was 110bhp with a 0-60 of 9.6 seconds

yeah, i had an 04 plate corsa 1.2 sxi which produced 75bhp and had a book time of 12.5 seconds to 62mph rom standing, so about right by that figure cactus! :) the 1.4 sri did it in 9.5 100bhp iirc and the 125bhp 1.8 sri in 8 seconds dead... all vx quoted times, so probably incorrect! :D

What's with all this talk about DIFFs giving better 0-60?

I assume you are talking about LSD and not a fixed diff, LSD makes bugger all difference to 0-60 times.

G-Tec's are pretty much useless, hitting a bump and putting a large g spike down the car throws the calculations off, in a FWD with a bit of scrabbling the varing loads give wildly inaccurate times. Accelerative measurements by accelerometers are only useful if there is no unwanted lateral, vertical or longitudanal G present when tested. The G Tec also has very poor smoothing which further messes the results.

All these type of meters use the standard G Force/time calculations. For example if they measure 1G for two seconds you have traveled 64 feet (1G = 32ft per second per second), from this you can calculate G pulled over time span to give distance traveled and therefore speed attained. Problem is when the unit bases its math on the raw results (as the G Tecs do) when big spikes in G will mess the results up.

Proper performance meters such as the AX-22 cost 10 times as much for a reason, they have 10hz GPS units built in and use a combination of Accelerometers and GPS measurements to calculate performance figures. Way way more accurately.

Also worth noting the G-Tecs have no measure for angle or slope so you could very well lob your car down a big hill and record a much faster time.

Cheers
M

so your car can do it in 6.7 seconds but a 225 can only do it in 6.1?

an extra 60bhp and an extra 5kg in weight and you only get it down by 0.6 seconds? sorry mate, no way!

iirc pauls modified trophy was tested for the magazine feature of 5.9seconds and that was pushing somewhere between 280 and 300bhp...

your figures are wrong dude, sorry.

and a 1.2 clio will not be under 10 seconds to 60, as said, power to weight won't allow it to happen!!

how much power would a 1.2 clio produce? 70 - 75bhp?

I never said that my old clio could do it in unde 10 seconds i said i managed to get 10.4 according to the 0-60 timer. Same with mine i have posted the picture of the timer which i have used and its been tested on other cars as staed which nobody seams to believe. Such as the Focus Rs was 5.2 to 60 and the tuned coopes s which was 5.9.

G-Tec's are pretty much useless, hitting a bump and putting a large g spike down the car throws the calculations off, in a FWD with a bit of scrabbling the varing loads give wildly inaccurate times. Accelerative measurements by accelerometers are only useful if there is no unwanted lateral, vertical or longitudanal G present when tested. The G Tec also has very poor smoothing which further messes the results.

All these type of meters use the standard G Force/time calculations. For example if they measure 1G for two seconds you have traveled 64 feet (1G = 32ft per second per second), from this you can calculate G pulled over time span to give distance traveled and therefore speed attained. Problem is when the unit bases its math on the raw results (as the G Tecs do) when big spikes in G will mess the results up.

Proper performance meters such as the AX-22 cost 10 times as much for a reason, they have 10hz GPS units built in and use a combination of Accelerometers and GPS measurements to calculate performance figures. Way way more accurately.

Also worth noting the G-Tecs have no measure for angle or slope so you could very well lob your car down a big hill and record a much faster time.

Cheers
M


Regarding your comment to the G-Tech not havng a measure for angles they actualy do. If you have used a G-Tech Pro you will know that you have a measure on the device which you can see what degree your car is as which you can adjust until you get to 0 degrees or as near to as possible. Giving you a more accurate result.

Icarus you continue to amaze me haha :rockon:

I will make a run in my Wife´s 1.2 60hp 5 door Clio with ported and polished head , and then will put here the result of 0 - 60!

Cheers

Regarding your comment to the G-Tech not havng a measure for angles they actualy do. If you have used a G-Tech Pro you will know that you have a measure on the device which you can see what degree your car is as which you can adjust until you get to 0 degrees or as near to as possible. Giving you a more accurate result.

LOL That is only for the angle of the unit within the car so the accelerometers are flat on the PCB, makes bugger all difference when you are going down a hill, especially as no hill is a constant gradient!

G Tech's and all other devices that measure like this are fundamentally flawed. The only slight exception being the Race Technology AP22 which has some very clever software smoothing in it to get a more accurate result - worth noting that Race Technology say only accurate to 1000ft without the optional GPS plug in.

For measuring lateral G through a corner they are useful but don't put any trust in them for performance figures!!!

Cheers
M

Icarus you continue to amaze me haha :rockon:

If you **** about with race cars you need to know your Data Loggers and how they work LOL

Cheers
M

makes bugger all difference when you are going down a hill, especially as no hill is a constant gradient!


There are some on the off-road section at Millbrook :)

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Millbrook,+Bedford+MK45,+United+Kingdom&sll=54.162434,-3.647461&sspn=10.32698,25.708008&ie=UTF8&cd=4&ll=52.037129,-0.533137&spn=0.006349,0.013518&t=k&z=16&om=1

LOL That is only for the angle of the unit within the car so the accelerometers are flat on the PCB, makes bugger all difference when you are going down a hill, especially as no hill is a constant gradient!

G Tech's and all other devices that measure like this are fundamentally flawed. The only slight exception being the Race Technology AP22 which has some very clever software smoothing in it to get a more accurate result - worth noting that Race Technology say only accurate to 1000ft without the optional GPS plug in.

For measuring lateral G through a corner they are useful but don't put any trust in them for performance figures!!!

Cheers
M

I never said that it will be the same on a hill thats why i said find a level ground and then set the angle of the G-tec to 0 and then test the device.

I will make a run in my Wife´s 1.2 60hp 5 door Clio with ported and polished head , and then will put here the result of 0 - 60!

Cheers


When i tested my car it ws the 1.2 16valve so it had 75hp and yes it was on a straight road and not down a hill or slope.

When i tested my car it ws the 1.2 16valve so it had 75hp and yes it was on a straight road and not down a hill or slope.

But with 15´s ? If so, I will order a test to my best friend´s Clio 1.2 16V and put here the result...Wife Clio is a 1.2 8V!

cheers

the times for the GT165 are not right i think we have all agreed on this.
unless for some reason you have a 225 engine in or more importantly bought a used 165 that was mapped + filter to 190hp hence 6.89 would be close considering extra torque but still think it would be 7.0

the times for the GT165 are not right i think we have all agreed on this.
unless for some reason you have a 225 engine in or more importantly bought a used 165 that was mapped + filter to 190hp hence 6.89 would be close considering extra torque but still think it would be 7.0

Car was bought from brand new and is completly standard and im going of th G-Tec so if people dnt belive me they should buy a G-Tec and try the 0-60 and see how different how it is to the listed time.

sorry to sound stupid but was it:
*mapped?
* how does it cost?
* can it be done to any car?

thanks
dave

if people dnt belive me they should buy a G-Tec and try the 0-60 and see how different how it is to the listed time.

Might buy one and revel in the 5.2 secs 0-60 time of mine:)

What car have you got cactusbob. you should buy one and try it see what results you get.

sorry to sound stupid but was it:
*mapped?
* how does it cost?
* can it be done to any car?

thanks
dave


I bought it from ebay from a the G-Tec shop it was a while ago think it was around £40. Yes it can be ued on any car or motorbike . Quick to install and use but not sure if many people on this site wold believe your results as they dont believe mine. You should be abe to buy one from ebay if not google it and go to the G-Tec website and buy one from there.

Cheers

What car have you got cactusbob. you should buy one and try it see what results you get.

I have a RenaultSport Megane 225 :)

Are you coming to the FCS? It would be interesting to see how the G-Tech compares to the measured time on the sprint track

What is the date for FCS ?

July 15th

GT165, I'm sorry to say it mate, but if you're willing to believe a £40 bit of kit over logic and fact then you're a sales man's dream customer! I'd be very surprised if my car recorded anything less than around 6.5 and it's a Clio Trophy with a remap, exhaust and filter so weighing about 200k less than yours with about 25bhp more power.

Just because a machine tells you something doesn't always make it so I'm afraid. Take the car to FCS or Santa Pod and give it a run. I would think you'll be lucky to beat 7.5 tops.

and like i said im just going off the machine and the results are not not much from the listed time. Its 1.5 seconds quicker than he listed time and like ive said before everybody knows that a car is quicker than the listed time and usualy at least a second out. Its been tested on other cars and the results were better than the listed times.

1.5 seconds is a lot of difference. get sum 1/4 mile times up, there way more interesting!:)

That's exactly what I'm trying to say mate. Why would they even bother listing times if they are that far out?! Granted it's dependent on test conditions (1 or 2 up etc, full tank) but we're still not talking 1.5 seconds.

Saying cars are a second out from there listed time is rubbish. 'everybody knows that a car is quicker than the listed time and usualy at least a second out'

Are you saying that a Nissan 350z is actually running a 4.6 to 60? If that's true it means that accoring to book, my car is actually capable of 60 in late 5's and that is rubbish!!

Sounds like a waste of money to me matey. Sorry to put a damper on things, just enjoy driving and stop worrying about the 0-60. The GT's are nice looking cars and i'm sure would hold there own against most warm hatches etc.

aparantly they have passangers and thing in the back wen they get the mpg stats so maby they do too for the 0-60?dunno just an idea

Why don´t you arrange a Club meeting, and sort things out?
You could put a Full Fat 225 Vs The GT, in a 0-60 and take your own conclusions...what do you think?

Cheers

i know that a 225 would be faster im not trying tp say mine is as fast but i would like to see the difference between the two cars. Problem with mine is it spins too much and the tc is always cutting in.