Not being funny but it torque steers like mad at standard so it aint going to be better re mapped ... I think it is getting to the point were Renault , Vauxhall and Ford are producing big bhp to compete with the likes of Subaru and Mitsubishi but they are on the limit for FWD and really need to start looking at 4wd systems (or even RWD) to cope with the ever incresing power available . Then it is really viable to start re mapping and modding a car with not only big BHP but a drive train that can handle it ...

 

I get the feeling the Megs problem is the turbo. It cant flow the power we need/want. Maybe we need a performance package that includes a bigger turbo, matching injectors, an intercooler and a remap going with the above items. Basically replacement parts for whats currently on the Megs, +-225kw, 450nm, end of story! I'm not worried about torque steer - I like it when the steering wheel talks to me...!

Will be a few bucks though...

 

Maybe we should be buying Jap turbo'd motors if you're planning on aiming above the 300bhp mark!!! :?

I bought my Megane with the thought that 225bhp would be plenty and that I could improve that performance maybe to the 250bhp-260bhp mark.

If I wanted some monster performance, 400bhp rear wheel drive motor I'd have bought a modded Supra!!!

Instead I wanted a new, rare, hatch back with wicked performance and thats what I got.

the Megane is the underdog in some people eyes, we know otherwise in regards to performance/driveability etc. But unfortunately it leaves it limited on tuning!! If you want it easy you'll probably have to look elsewhere.

 

im well happy with 270bhp it blows holes in TTs and the new STs

if i get any more out of it happy days,

 

bu thats just another reason to discount it when buying a potencial turbo hothatch, a remapped meg with 265bhp and 260lbft will of course be rapid but two thoughts.. one is that in theory nxt month a 250bhp megane is out that will almost definatley remap to 290bhp + FMIC 300bhp bobs yer uncle end of story right ??? well no, because whatever was done to get the meg "reliably" running 250bhp and corrosponding torque will be must have mods/parts to have on our meganes so maybe thats the answer ???? wait until there is a higher powered megane and then use those bits on the current megane , then remap.

secondly ive read recently in autocar magazine a Wolf racing package for the Focus ST it give 297bhp (300PS) and lots of torque and they said it was very good also gives a better exhaust noise.. so there you have it Focus ST and VXR officially can reach 300 bhp with sportsexhaust, FMIC and a remap and loads more torque than a megane, there is a Stage Two Wolf package with 350bhp for the Focus ST and 340bhp for the astra vxr... im not fussed with torque steer as its all down to experience and use of the right foot you dont have use all 340bhp on a wet roundabout do you ?
the power is there for all other VAG hatches also with 2.0T FSI also with huge potencial gains.

we get 265/260 remap or FMIC,Induction, exhaust (backbox no silencers etc..) 273 ! sure the lighter weight of the megs helps somewhat which would be ok if it werent for the fact that the VXR and ST have Massive torque figures once tuned.. basically there better cars for speed and accelaration..
its simple perhaps £1500-£1800 on a meg sure but then by changing turbo and injectors we can see 320-330bhp and i think 99% of the people will be happy with that.

were stuck with a map that while exellent is only 10hp more than the 250hp meg (if that as a 225meg is usually 230hp) and the Mazda MP has 257hp stock the VXR 240 stock etc..

btw for those not interested in this thread or big power thats fine but there are peeps out there who like to push the envelope and dont care about FWD or torque steer, im not saying is it justified im saying how do we get to these figures ? or are we all saying "well its a renault so therefore its the underdog and crappy no point tuning it up" ? most people have bought there meg because it has a (weakling) turbo attached with the thought in mind of some really stunning power potencial

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Maybe we should be buying Jap turbo'd motors if you're planning on aiming above the 300bhp mark!!! :?

I bought my Megane with the thought that 225bhp would be plenty and that I could improve that performance maybe to the 250bhp-260bhp mark.

If I wanted some monster performance, 400bhp rear wheel drive motor I'd have bought a modded Supra!!!

Instead I wanted a new, rare, hatch back with wicked performance and thats what I got.

the Megane is the underdog in some people eyes, we know otherwise in regards to performance/driveability etc. But unfortunately it leaves it limited on tuning!! If you want it easy you'll probably have to look elsewhere.

exactly what i have!!!

I have an '88 Mitsubishi Starion 2.0 Turbo that is currently being track prepared, big brakes (god, it needs them after the Nurburgring!!) and multi-point injection with aftermarket ECU / mapping - i am looking at ringing just over the 300bhp mark out of her - the turbo is typical huge 80's thing with no boost until 3500rpm.

The meggy i bought as my daily driver / commuting tool and occasional Nurburgring blaster / track day car....... i am planning on leaving it standard, probably just because it is a special edition - i am very VERY happy with its day-to-day drivability around town and wouldnt change that aspect for more power / less drivability (i.e. the starion is a pig to drive!!).

I can understand the quest for more power and if i didnt have my Starion as well, i might also be looking down this route - who knows!! :lol:

 

The problem is the Turbo its that simple. I have had lots of work done on my previous cars by regal, a 280hp Astra Mk4, 300bhp Leon Cupra R, 490bhp BMW M3 ... all of which are forced induction when finished.

The problems with the Megane are position of the turbo, its at the back of the block, hence heat trapped, the small pipework from the turbo to the IC - its tiny ! The size of the turbo is just to small. Its a nice no lag twin scroll system, but it wont hold boost high enough long enough to make big torque and decent power.

Watch this space for a IHI hybrid with custom pipework to a bigger IC. From investigation the internals should be good for 300bhp - if not then ummmm we'll cross that bridge when we come to it ! lol

 

Watch this space for a IHI hybrid with custom pipework to a bigger IC. From investigation the internals should be good for 300bhp - if not then ummmm we'll cross that bridge when we come to it ! lol

and you sir are the exact person who im talking about, a pioneer of new ideas who has a goal, theres no point sitting in this thread if 250/260bhp is enough and more is seen as pointless IHI hybrid is the way forward and im really looking forward already any more information or any progress on this one, if its relativley cheap i.e less than £2k then il be up for it. in fact Seats IHI systems are aobut £1500 so pretty good.

btw the 490bhp M3 sounds mean as hell :twisted: any pics ?

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Got afew pics, I'll get some up soon

The problem we are going to have is space imo, the back of the engine compartment is tight. The only saving grace is that thee is loads of room for a nice chunky IC with maybe the potential for IC water spray too just for those 1/4 mile moments

The other aesthetic problem is measuring up for the new 'crossover' pipe under the engine cover is going to mean that the cover is lost, or heavily modified to refit. I thought about maybe having the pipe powder coated silver, then the engine cover cut in half to reveal the pipe itself ??

 

Not being funny but it torque steers like mad at standard so it aint going to be better re mapped

im not being funny but my wife jumps from her megane 1.9td into our approx 280bhp/282lb/ft VXR and has no problems handling/controlling the car, she has also done a track session in a standard VXR and pushed it to its limits and walked away with a smile not from a wreck :lol: , actually torque steer was worse before the remap especially with all the power being dumped at the touch of the thottle, the stage 2 remap im running has 1st and 2nd nicely smoothed out in the power delivery but still with a kick and a hefty thump of power in 3rd pushing strongly all the way into 6th and to red line in each gear, torque steer is still present as in any powerful fwd but its not a handful by no means, doesnt take anymore than one hand to keep it under control when giving it stick and if my wife has no problems managing the power then i laugh at the many who believe its a handful :lol:

 

^^ true its all down to the right foot at the end of the day, fitting a diff on the front helps no end but even so its still ok at 300 unless your a crap or inexperienced driver.

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see i think your wrong,

i think they might do a 250 we dont know but if they do its just going to be the same as ours but mapped higher, ie from 222 to 250,

they done the same on the leon, they done a 180 a 210 and 225bhp all running the same engine but different map files on but all the same 1.8 engine and turbo.

so from my point of view if they do do it, it will be a 225 re mapped to 250 and your goinjg to be in the same boat again, only this time your not going to get hardly any more power out if it known that around 270 is its limit.

 

Not being funny but it torque steers like mad at standard so it aint going to be better re mapped

im not being funny but my wife jumps from her megane 1.9td into our approx 280bhp/290lb/ft VXR and has no problems handling/controlling the car, she has also done a track session in a standard VXR and pushed it to its limits and walked away with a smile not from a wreck :lol: , actually torque steer was worse before the remap especially with all the power being dumped at the touch of the thottle, the stage 2 remap im running has 1st and 2nd nicely smoothed out in the power delivery but still with a kick and a hefty thump of power in 3rd pushing strongly all the way into 6th and to red line in each gear, torque steer is still present as in any powerful fwd but its not a handful by no means, doesnt take anymore than one hand to keep it under control when giving it stick and if my wife has no problems managing the power then i laugh at the many who believe its a handful :lol:

Nice one you want to get your wife on Top Gear and show that inexperienced Jeremy Clarkson how to drive the VXR properly ... She could be the new Stig :lol: :lol:

 

aussie wat did it cost you to get to 280 bhp if you dont mind me asking,

was it just the remap ?

 

Aussie is a cat back exhaust, probably pre-cat replaced, larger FMIC and then the map if i am not mistaken.

Correct me if i am wrong mate

 

Aussie is a cat back exhaust, probably pre-cat replaced, larger FMIC and then the map if i am not mistaken.

Correct me if i am wrong mate

ahh im with you :lol:

mates are we

 

This is purely my thoughts but there does seem to be a lot of moaning about the Megane and its 'tuning potential'!!

I'm all up for getting more power from my Megane but I knew what I was getting when I bought it which was a comfy, quick, rare car with 225bhp!! And thats exactly what I got, I couldn't be happier with it.

You get used to the power quite quickly and once the re-map is 100% and I have a new exhaust, I'll be look at going for that 260bhp+ mark.

But in the mean time I don't feel short changed because I can't get massive power gains like the rivals!!

I still stand by the fact that if you want an easy 300bhp then buy an Evo or Scooby, you can get them almost new for the price of the Meganes anyway.

I just get the impression that people expect a lot more from the Megane than is feasible.

IMO to get a brand new car with 225 bhp, all the toys, good handling etc for £16k is a bargain. Then to be able to chuck £400 at it and get 265bhp, I think is pretty decent.

 

thats your opinion but me and others want more not much more 'just' 300bhp even 290 would be nice

scoobs evo`s are way too common and its alright pulling up in an evo nxt to something there is no competition everyone knows what the car is what it does game over knowone will bother trying and even if you did somehow manage to pass you could never speak its name on a forum as knowone would believe you.

the megane is a rare sleeper, people look and probably laugh a bit and then off you go 300hp genuinley rapid. 30hp more than stock 225 with a remap isnt exaclty going to provide the desired effect that 70bhp and 70lbft is.

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I'm all for pushing the boundaries, and i have no doubt people will want more power than i do. I we be happy with 280bhp and similar lb/ft. Its my daily driver so nothing to mad, just something alittle more refined and quicker is my goal

The things that are lacking are packages, other marques such as the obvious competition, Ford, Vaux etc get phase installations. Phase I would be a induction kit, cat back exhaust etc. Phase II would be Phase I + precat replacement, better spark plugs, etc etc, then onto Phase III - you get the idea ! lol

 

Taste differs...

Some will buy the car as a comfortable sports/familily car, which I personally think is a very small percentage of the market. Most people buying these kind of cars (ST's, VXRs, Megs, GTis) are motor enthusiasts. I mean its a hot hatch that competes DIRECTLY with the ST and VXR!

The main thing about the Meg, for me, is its exclusivity. I'm very happy with my F1. I could have bought an VXR/OPC or ST, but I wanted to be one of the F1 owners - I just love the looks and appeal of my Black F1!

The other thing thats convinced me to buy the F1, was the 267bhp remap claims, which I later found out, after buying my F1, is not that accurate (whatever you may call it). Correct me if I'm wrong...

Yes, it pisses me off to learn now that its quite difficult getting power from a Meg, but still the Meg just got that x-factor that none of the competitors have. I really like and enjoy my F1 and really hope that some R&D will bring new idees to the table. Theres no question that the Meg will be able to make 300bhp, but this will only be possible via lots of research, time and money...

And this is just the job of tuning companies. They put in the effort for developing performance products/packages and at the end of the day also gets paid for their effort. Problem is that the Meg owner marked is very small, they say... (theres 600 members in this forum!!)

The Meg must stand its ground against the rivals! I really hope a tuning company will look into this issue...

I WILL be a customer...!!

 

So if a tuning package capable of 300bhp was released would people realistically pay the £2000-2500 pounds required ???

 

I think i would down the line a bit

 

I think most people will want to pick and choose their performance parts, but I would personally go for the bigger turbo and remap. Although I don't like the standard exhaust, I prefer the silent and deadly approach.

 

So if a tuning package capable of 300bhp was released would people realistically pay the £2000-2500 pounds required ???

no never in a million years would they,

i got 273 and im over the moon with this, and im sorry to say im not going to spend another £1000 to get another 20bhp, who would.

a £1000 to get to 273bhp is bad enough but anything over that ill sell the car and buy a VXR or ST or new LEON with easy tuning capabilities to get over 300bhp.

other than that ill stick with wat iv got.

and meggerman dont take this the wrong way but you have bin on this forum with us for quiet some time and you new b4 you bought your 225 that 300bhp is almost out of reach for the 225, yes it can be got if you want to change the turbo sort the head cams etc etc but are you going to do all this on a brand new car ? or wen the warrenty has gone.

 

So if a tuning package capable of 300bhp was released would people realistically pay the £2000-2500 pounds required ???

no never in a million years would they,

i got 273 and im over the moon with this, and im sorry to say im not going to spend another £1000 to get another 20bhp, who would.

a £1000 to get to 273bhp is bad enough but anything over that ill sell the car and buy a VXR or ST or new LEON with easy tuning capabilities to get over 300bhp.

other than that ill stick with wat iv got.

and meggerman dont take this the wrong way but you have bin on this forum with us for quiet some time and you new b4 you bought your 225 that 300bhp is almost out of reach for the 225, yes it can be got if you want to change the turbo sort the head cams etc etc but are you going to do all this on a brand new car ? or wen the warrenty has gone.

EXACTLY.....