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I see that the 225 vs CTR debate is in full flow and not showing any signs of slowing down. I'm enjoying reading all the posts.

Anyway i thought i would throw a curve ball as no one ever mentions the Alfa, my mate is thinking of buying a 147 GTA. Does anyone know how good performance wise these things are? I know that it's putting out about 240bhp but would Alfa's reliability allow it to beat a 225 in a straight line?

Any opinions?

P.S. I think it's a fantastic looking car.
 

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i think it would do a 225 in a straight line mate (just).. They're 250 bhp FWD and weigh about 1400 kgs.. Have been timed in the 5's 0-60 and 14 flat 0-100.. Had a blast with one in the CTR and it started to eek away a bit once in 4th.. Quick, gorgeous looking car.. Reliablility can be an issue though...
 

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Only ever seen one. heard they dont handle cos of the heavy lump up front, straight line would be close though.
 
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I like them a lot. The interior is amazing.

They drink oil and fuel though, and are not renowned for their handling.

But still a car built with passion, and the retention is impressive for an alfa.
 

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Nice call! I mentioned the Alfa as an alternative on the Renaultsport forum once or twice and all I got was tumbleweed :wink:
They've got a Renault-like depreciation curve as well which makes them quite affordable to purchase now too...running costs ignored of course!
 
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Gorgeous car, i think it would lamp the 225 to be honnest, thats a serious engine and i would say the only flaw is front wheel drive, the said in top gear they are pushing the envelope with that much power on the front.

Still its the classy choice, would make an excellent second hand or x-demo, never buy a new one though as they depreciate fast.
 
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There's a gorgeous black one being sold privately on AutoTrader. £16500 with 11k on the clock. Can't remember what reg though. Looks immaculate and the interior is fantastic.

If i was being honest, with that much power i think on motorway it's going to out run a 225. Managed to find one of those japanese videos where they are racing them on a track (same thing as the 225 vs GTI vid that was posted recently) can't remember what it was up against but it came 4th or 5th out of 5. Thats probably down to it's handling.

I'd have one just for it's styling though.
 
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Everything has been said already by you...

Looks: Gob smacking gorgeous (especially in white pearlescent with gun metal wheels)

Depreciation: as bad as Renaults... or worst.

Build quality: Improving... but still not quite sure if they're up to standard

Performance: On the straight line, beats the 225. On the bendy beats; too nose-heavy, no chance

Soundtrack: Simply the best available and open the bonnet and that v6 with the chrome inlet manifold is simple car-porn
 
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There you go again v tec abuser, think it will blow a 225 in a straight line....... seem to be talkin crap again about speed in a straight line. Well just to put the icing on the cake, I can state your talkin bollocks. The figures for the 147 0-60 as quoted in their literature is 6.3 seconds, they are quick no doubt about that, but have a heavy front end and light steering.
How do I know they aint as quick as everyone thinks, cos I work for Fiat Alfa and drive the things all the time. There is no Alfa that will out accelerate a meggy, even the new Brera 3.2 Q4 takes 6.8 to 60 and its got more horses. Argue all you like, I drive the buggers every day, its my job. :D :D :D
 
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I in the happy postition of currently owning both (wife's 225FF and my, soon to sold GTA).

There are pro's and con's to both cars, the GTA feels alot more sold, and better put together, even though there is only 5kg difference between the weights, the 225 feels a lot lighter on its rubber.

Handling wise, the GTA is not great, but does give you more confidence than the 225 purely due to the poorly set up electronic steering.

In terms of go, the GTA blows the 225 away if its is allowed to use all of its rev range, on part throttle motorway driving though, the 225 walks away. Also in the lower rev range, the GTA has gone before 225 has had time to wind up its turbo, it will sit in 6th at 25mph with no problems, which demostrates the amazing flexibility of the engine.

Love the styling of both cars, although I think that the GTA is prettier.

For the whole experience, the noise the GTA makes at 6k rpm is amazing, with the exhaust pulsing at tickover like listening to the heart beat of the engine.

However, I am currently trying to sell my GTA as I have a 225FF (black gold), cup, xenons and recaros on order. On driving the 225 with cup, I was deeply impressed, very similar to our 172 we had.
 
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Al225 said:
However, I am currently trying to sell my GTA as I have a 225 on order. On driving the 225 with cup, I was deeply impressed, very similar to our 172 we had.
Now Im confused... except for the last bit about the 225 driving, everything you say seems to tip the balance in favour of the GTA, but at the end, its the Alfa you are letting go... Why?
 
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The reason why the Alfa is going is that it is 3 years old, and now out of warranty.

I have quite a few expensive things replaced under warranty, and I do not want to tempt fate.

Plus, I find the 225 is much nicer to drive over a poorly surfaced roads, where the Alfa hopes and skips everywhere, the 225 just soaks everything up.
 

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Al225 said:
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Plus, I find the 225 is much nicer to drive over a poorly surfaced roads, where the Alfa hopes and skips everywhere, the 225 just soaks everything up.
It won't be with the cup pack on though!
 

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There you go again v tec abuser, think it will blow a 225 in a straight line....... seem to be talkin crap again about speed in a straight line. Well just to put the icing on the cake, I can state your talkin bollocks. The figures for the 147 0-60 as quoted in their literature is 6.3 seconds, they are quick no doubt about that, but have a heavy front end and light steering.
How do I know they aint as quick as everyone thinks, cos I work for Fiat Alfa and drive the things all the time. There is no Alfa that will out accelerate a meggy, even the new Brera 3.2 Q4 takes 6.8 to 60 and its got more horses. Argue all you like, I drive the buggers every day, its my job. :D :D :D
WTF are you on pal???
Let's start again by reading my post properly yeah...
I put "I think it would do a 225 in a straight line mate (just)..".. So from that sentance, where the f**k did you get BLOW THE 225 IN A STRAIGHT LINE FROM??? I said it would do one.. JUST!!! Plus what the hell has a heavy front end and light steering got to do with straight line speed?? Hence the reason I put STRAIGHT LINE! I've driven a few and know they aren't renound for there handling.. Plus why am I "Talking Bollock$"? They have been tested by nearly every mag as being one of the quickest FWD cars avaiable and have blitzed the Hot Hatch contest for Autocar's 0-100-0 test on a few occasions.. So i''m merely stating what's been tested and my experience..
Also... Do you want to tell the other 90% of people on this thread that have also put pretty much the same as me, that they're also talking BOLLOCK$.. Doubt it!!! Or you just singling me out for some strange reason?
 
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Not singling you out vtec abuser, just making a comment in reply to yours. No need to take it to heart. You seem obsessed with straight line speed/ acceleration the same way i'm obsessed with the 225, but theirs no need to blow a gasket. Be nice to us oldies. Oh and in answer to your question "what am I on"........... about £50k+ with my investments and pension. Thanks for your concern.

Cheers Phill, 1 car, ten bellies and great driver.
 

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PENSION :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


Do we need to arrange special facilities at FCS?

Maybe equipment to help you in and out of the car, a second ticket for the home help :lol:

And Dave can you sort us a stand out near the toilets, those colostomy bags can really kick up when it gets warm :lol: :lol:
 
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