[phily_225cup]

I have a very arrogant in-direct relative who believes his focus RS can take on subaru's an evo's :shock: you know the kind

I've read up wit auto express and have found that the mega cup is marginally faster in acceleration :lol:. Would you think the cup chassis would compare with the rs chassis? :?

Thoughts?

 

[Guest]

Meg 225 vs Focus RS

Focus RS is very much a hard core car. It puts the power down isssss an amazing way, but I have heard of owners who have described it as a "stamp on the pedal and hold on tight ride". I have driven one briefly on a track and it changes direction with phenomenal ability. I haven't however tried the Meg 225 on a track, but my bet would be that the Focus RS would be the quicker car around the track.

That said, the Meg is a very quick and competent car that you can live with on a day to day basis, but I doubt the Focus RS is.

The reason I believe the FRS is probably the better of the two is that I think it's chassis, suspension and drive train have been rally derived (albeit not the 4wd basis).

It would also hugely depend onthe driver, but lets assume that the Stig or someone like him took the two around the top gear track, I'd guess thatthe FRS would come out just a bit quicker.

Having said that, I have been a Ford RS fan for the past 15 years, and wanted the Forcus RS, but now that I have the opportunity to buy a daily useable comfortable sports car, I will be buying a Meg 225.

CheeRS

Per

 

[phily_225cup]

not what i wanted to hear but some very respectful statements made per. I think the megs arse lets it down for quick cornering but i think it looks good :?

 

[Guest]

mEG VS fOCUS

To be honest, whilst Ford went to lengths to make the FRS stand out from the boggo Focus (old shape), they didn't do enough. The New ST, whislt a well rated car is just to "boy racer" in its slats and stripes and add on arches etc.

Have been a big fan of Ford for past 15 or so years, but they don't do it for me any longer.

Time to try something that's different. The Meg225 is a bit like Marmite - you either like it or you hate it - there's no middle ground. Where as the Focus is "everymans car".

A good mate of mine has been into Renault for years, having had 300+bhp FWD Ren21 Turbo's and he reckons that they handle bloody well. His brother in law has a track/drag strip prepped Fuego with a Ren21 turbo lump running low 13's/high 12's I think.

CheeRS

Per

 

[Jon Seal]

it depends what evos and scoobs your picking on, an RS focus would happily take on a WRX scoon or a uk 260 evo, but so would a 225, specially a cup setup. RSs are a bit more hardcore than a 225 but theres probably not much in it if anything on the road

 

[asmith225]

Race the fooker and find out mate I had a dealing with a Focus RS which started as a 3rd gear drag, he pulled away a little in 3rd but 4th I very slowly started to draw him in. He was on his own and I had 2 passengers but was carrying a small amount of fuel so I dare say that if it was even occupancy and fuel levels there would be very little between the two.

 

[phil]

There's one here on camp, i absolutely wasted it!












Mind you it was parked up at the time!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Guest]

my mate just got one on monday so i,ll be going to the next crail to see how we go, mind you its not standard, miltek manifold ,zorst, bluefin chip and dump valve

 

[andy bassett]

i agree with jon, pound for pound the RS and my CUP 225 there an even match, the RSF is much more easier to tune but then it is a ford, as for the ride in a RSF is shocking, im not saying the RSM is great but its miles better than the Focus even with my CUP setup.

but i think it goes back to the same argument again, i think its down to the driver, iv had a dig at the new astra VXR that was on a 55 plate and done him ( and he was realy trying ), the R32 the 225 gives as good,
scoda VRS is a no contest, new GOLF GTI, ( had 3 races with one over a mile of road and won 2 of the 3 ). CTR of the line is quick but the 225 gains fast and out powers in 3-4 gear. iv even gone up against a 04 M3 bmw and i wernt that far behind.
to be honet i think iv had ago at almost every thing on the road and my 225 is fooking quick compared to most RS or GTIs on the road.

and out of all the above if i had to choose one the FRS would still be at the bottom of the list.

 

[Guest]

Ok fair comment from all you guys. As i have mentioned in a few posts I was a former British Rallycross Driver, I am also a fully qualified Advanced Driving Instructor and one of the first and only civilian Police Class 1 Instructors in the country.

The Megga is fast no doubt about that, mine has the cup chasis and I can out drive just about anything on the road except a supercar. It is exactly as has been said, it is down to the driver and his awareness of the road ahead, conditions and knowledge. (what causes understeer/ oversteer a two wheel skid a four wheel skid etc etc.) You can still be quick without breaking the law.....good safe quick driving is down to a few major factors : driver skill, vehicle setup, road conditions and most importantly excellent observation and awareness. (after all if you don't see it how can you react to it!!!)

All the cars previously mentioned are fast but like I've said in the past, any fool can drive fast in a straigt line. Just rest safe in the knowledge that we all have a quick car which can torque steer just like the RS if power delivery isn't smooth. Scooby's in standard trim only see one view of my car, and thats the back and anything that can smoke it usually costs 2+ times the price.

Drive safely.
PJDT77 (my race number not my age, remember!!)

 

[Guest]

I understand what you're saying about driving skills. But how can you beat all standard imprezas out there? Are you saying the last wrx or even the sti are slower than a meg225 or are you saying your driving skills compensate? It's a serious question as I have driven neither yet on paper the impreza looks a hell of a lot faster but is not the case in reality? Bearing in mind also that it's 4WD.

 

[andy bassett]

the impreza looks a hell of a lot faster .

you got it in a nut shell. LOOKS faster.

were not taliking white washing here, were just saying well i am that most impreza look at the back of the 225s wen in a one on one, but that dont mean to say its 200 yards away, just means the 225 is just in front.

and like MR pjtd77 rally river said ( sorry :wink: ) i have a great knoledge of the roads by me and great awarness of wats going on around me on the roads, not saying im a rally driver but can handel the meg alot better than most.

any way back to the point of this topic, the MRS is better than the FRS :wink:

 

[Jon Seal]

I think the days where imprezas ruled the roads are long gone. At one time they were the benchmark for sure but these days the bar for performance had been raised, the UK WRX has a great 0-60 time but when you look at its performance they arent even really that quick, my old 172 outhandled and out accelerated WRXs not by much but enough. TBH even with my full fat (not got the eibachs yet) I would have no problems toying with an STI, I wouldnt get past one unless it was a good straight but I would be in his rear view mirror. Obviously the other advantage the scoobs have is that they have a lot more tuning options than we do but imprezas are far from been all conquering road racers like when the classic first came out.

 

[Guest]

Meg vs FRS

I have a clip of the Golf R32 doing a lap on the Top Gear tearck and it does it in a blinding 1m 30.4sec.

When Clarkson put the times up, I saw that the Focus RS did the lap in 1m 32.2sec

Having just looked at the Top Gear clip featuring the Meg 225/Astra VXR and the Golf GTi, Clarckson said that the Meg255 did the lap in 1.32.5, just 1/3 a second quicker than the Golf GTI.

Guess there is therefore not a lot in it between the FRS and the Meg225 and it would therefore be down to the driver.

CheeRS

Per

 

[meggerman]

errm i agree above to a certain extent but the P1, WR1, PPP STI 310hp versions are pretty damn quick, however the weight, the awd transloss etc.. means for me that unless you have a £25,000 priced impreza tuned up then all you will ever acheive is a fast 0-60.

btw. the newer wrx`s with 225ps (222hp) weigh more than a megane have same hp, more lag, and their famed 0-60 claimed at a 5.7 which il tell you know is bullshit.

ive done it in 4 wrx`s now and we have never managed below 6`s to 60 and a megane trophy was tested in autocar at 6.1 to sixty !!

0-60 in all but very wet conditions is identical to a megane, 0-100 is faster on a megane etc..
but anyway back to the Focus RS.


my opinion is that its one of the best if not top 3 in the world handling FWD cars. the tickford puma, the clio trophy, the FRS, the clio willams, pug 205 gti etc.. are all exellent and can keep with rwd, 4wd all but in very wet condtions.

the main advantage of the FRS is that it has a LSD on the front for silly levels of grip, exellent chassis from the focus and uprated further. I dont think you culd evolve the platform any further, the FRS is stunning at handling and direction change. its performance in a straight line will waver by a few lenghs over the 260hp STi, 260hp Evo but once remapped it will keep pace with a 300 evo, 300/310 sti. so formidable.

the colour and styling is great and there rare round my way. i like them a lot. but there not for me really.

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[Jon Seal]

yeah LSD is the FRS main weapon, too expensive for normal poroduction cars though, I think Ford actually lost money on the FRS but look worth it as it really revived their sporting brand after the luke warm ST170

 

[Guest]

meg

Sorry - mistypes above. The Meg is 1/2 second quicker than the VXR and quite a bit quicker than than Golf GTi.

Meggerman - as you say the rarity of the FRS is certainly something, and its LSD certainly makes a major difference. I was surprised when I had heard that the Meg did not have any LSD (or have I been told wrong? - it's not listed as a feature)

CheeRS

Per

 

[Jon Seal]

no the 225 has no LSD, LSDs are rare on anything other than supercars and sportscars, they are ridiculously expensive (probably 3-4 grand) which makes them out of the question for regular car manufacturers. On FWD cars though they work magic on getting the power down

 

[uncle]

The Ford Escort RS Turbo's had LSD. I had a mark 2 Escort RS turbo chipped to around 180 BHP, it was great at getting the power down but you had to fight the steering wheel at times with the power, used to realy scrub the tyres. 8K was doing well. The gearbox just could not handle the power. I had 3 gearboxes in as many years.

 

[meggerman]

fords do have a tendancy for broken gearboxes. if you fit an LSD to a fwd car it removes so much of the negativities it will make many people change their opinion of fwd cars.

btw wrx has front rear diff`s although i dont know whats type ? viscous i think

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