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Hi all - pretty new on here but have been trawling through the forums looking for R26-related 'stuff' as after having gone from my 182FF to Clio Trophy 007, to a Focus 2.0 TDCi to a Ford Puma 1.7 (current runaround), I now have to scratch the RS itch once again.

This isn't another generic 'how much do they cost' thread, more a request for substantiation of numerous claims that the R26s generally cost 'double' to run compared to a 182.

I have been thinking about this, and whilst being mindful that any hot hatch, especially a blown 2.0litre, 1400kg hatch is going to go through the consumables, I can only come to the conclusion that people are talking Renault OEM prices when talking about consumable parts.

Take tyres - I ended up paying up to £120 a corner for PE2s on 007, whereas decent 18" for the R26 I have found appear to be around £150-175 (Hankook or Bridgestone which seem to be rated by some). Now, given that most only change the fronts when they need it and not the whole set, I don't see an extra £100 per every 5-10k as a significant outlay.

Brakes needless to say will be more being branded numbers, but after having swapped the OEM ones on my 182 to the HC Brembo discs and Ferodo pads I was stunned at how much longer they lasted. Yes they will get more wear in a bigger, heavier, faster car in the R26 - but there seems to be a clear correlation between the quality you buy and the time they last. Do people tend to change their brake systems themselves or leave it to dealers/mecchies? If so, no wonder costs are upwards of £1000.

Besides that - no-one should skimp on braking...!

Or - is it more the general issues that owners face with R26s that seem to be most costly i.e. window regulators, turbo isses etc? This is where I potentially would see a significant difference as my 182s were bulletproof mechanically, save for a sensor here and there. Is this where the 'double cost' claims come from?

I'm not at all trying to disprove people who actually own the car as this would be heinous - it's more just to gauge what people actually mean when they say it costs so much more. If it is mere consumables this is both A- expected and B- easily regluated by driving style. Naturally we all want to put the absolute best products on our cherished wheels, but OEM prices are seldom paid by any car enthusiast I know.

However, if heavily inflated costs are due to more sinsiter issues - for lack of a better adjective - then this is a different issue.

Apologies if these have been covered elsewhere but the search function on the site won't work for me and most threads don't seem to go into much more detail.

Cheers in advance
Dan
 

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BTW - I am looking for a LY or GW R26 in the next few weeks all being well. Tested one for the first time at weekend and lordy lord - very very nice drive. The extra torque compared to the Clio was fantastic and had a couple of roundabouts to sample the LSD - comparable, to me at least, to a lesser powered Evo purely down to the way the nose sticks on-line despite how hard you press the go pedal.

It was either a Meg or a Mini CS - purely on prices - but the exclusivity, presence, standard kit (oxygen in the cabin is extra on a Mini) and out and out performance of the Megane discounted the MCS immediately.

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I'm also struggling to see how people are paying DOUBLE the running costs of a 1*2, yes tyres are a few quid more, fuel economy a little less, tax is the same.
 

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Hello,

Having owned a 182 for 5 years and an R26 for nearly 2 years now I can honestly say that my running costs are nowhere near double, yes it is more expensive then my 182 was with fuel, insurance and tyres but never double. To be fair I don't do more than 5000 miles a year but that was the same with the Clio.

As far as services go having never used Renault just Renault specialist it's pretty much costing me the same. I paid nearly £700 for my 5th service for the Clio including all the belts and I got a quote for nearly the same for the equivalent service on my Megane.
 

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See this is why I am confused. Many threads in 'Pre-ownership' have people saying that their R26 costs double the rough costs of their 182s and the like, but I genuinely can't see where that would come from. Unless, as I say, issues with turbos or other non-182 related parts keep going kaput - I find it highly unlikely though. I had forgotten about tax as well - which as Chris said is the same.

Cambelt changes seem to be similar - Birchdown here in Cheshire that many people recommend said they'd do it for about £550 - roughly the same as a 182 quote. I hope people do some more research into the actual running costs because after reading some of the stuff I have it could genuinely put people off buying RS.

Insurance is so variable it isn't worth discussing - but my most recent quote of £595 (26, 8yrs NCB, clean licence, live in leafy part of Cheshire) I thought was fantastic - barely £12 a month more than what I pay now on the Puma.

Yes running an RS, any RS, will be a LOT more expensive then say my current 1.7 Puma (most things are!), but many of us have experienced 1*2s which are comparatively expensive to run for a cheap to buy, low rent performance hatch and so similar or slightly inflated costs from an R26 shouldn't come as a surprise.

Again I am not trying to prove a disparity in what many R26 owners say and what is actually true - I just want to make sure potential buyers like me really look hard into the actual running costs as opposed to being put off as I almost was when I read those threads.

Hope this didn't come across as a rant as it wasn't meant that way for my first thread, but just wanted to do a little digging!

thanks for the response guys
 

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Insurance was cheaper on my R26 than a quote I did on a 182. Go figure?

Having not owned a 182 I can't really say but I needed new front pads at around 23k miles and got some RC5+ (£130 or so). I got some disks at the same time as there was a bundle saving me a few ££ so really front disks and pads for about £300. 2 new conti 5p tyres cost me about £300 and £20 fitting. You can get cheaper but why skimp on what holds you to the road? I am getting about 22 MPG tho but I do alot of short journeys in slow traffic which the meg seems to hate.

My wondow reg recently went. I fixed it myself saving myself £150 or whatever renault decide to rob from you. Cambelt service is due soon on 07 cars - £500 or so using genuine parts.
 

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I understand that some comments made by certain members would have been off the cuff and possibly embellished upon somewhat, but as i say i very nearly thought 'right, Mini it is then...!' if I hadn't done more research into parts and actually found them comparable to a 182.

Maybe certain members are nodding towards certain Megane-related issues - lest we forget many issues that plagued the 182s - engine mounts, rusting exhausts, melting steering wheels, o2 sensors failing, numerous electrical gremlins, strut top mounts - very few of which can be solved with some WD40 and a screwdriver - even under £100 or so. I expect some of these issues might be apparent on the Meganes, but if so then it's nothing most 1*2 owners will not have heard or at least expected before.
 

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I haven't had any problems with mine beyond consumables being replaced.

First set of tyres (Mich PS2 latest about 12k), it was about £160 a corner to replace with Conti 5p's which are possibly a little softer.

The OE disks are prone to cracking around the drill holes, the fronts disks on my car were pretty much on the wear limit at 12k (and cracked) although had seen some more aggressive pad compounds used. I would expect the rears are going to need done in the summer at what will likely be around 18k miles.
Cost to replace front disks and pads at a renault main dealer was £550. Rears probably about the same as it they have integral bearings in them. It would be substantially cheaper to do it yourself, many replace with Brembo HC non drilled disks which can be had for sub £100, OE pads are pretty cheap too.

Fuel wise I see mid 20s in mixed driving and low 30s in extended motorway runs.

It is worth bearing in mind that although people post issues that they are having with their cars on here, people don't post that they don't have any problems. I think this can often skew the perception of the cars reliability etc.
 

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The parts are what make them more expensive to run as barring the very common consumables most are renault only, specific to the RS models and gold plated.
 

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I think the running costs are pretty reasonable for the kind of car. Although I can't compare with a 172 or 182 because I haven't owned one, I can tell you what I've spent in the 3 and a bit years I've owned it (from new).

You've looked at tyre prices, and it's worth shopping around. Mine only last around 10,000 miles, probably because I use fast back roads a lot, but my last set of Hankook V12s only cost me £120 a corner and I've been very happy with them.

There are loads of questions on here about fuel economy. If you don't drive it like you stole it all the time and you don't spend loads of time sitting in traffic then you should average between 25-30mpg overall.

As for reliability and unforeseen costs, it's really all about how lucky you are with the car you buy. Window regs will be subsidised by Renault, hubs can go and you might encounter another problem, but that could happen with any car.

In conclusion, if you like the car go for it, because they're a great drive and should not cost the earth to run.

Servicing is pretty cheap apart from when it needs a cambelt. I've used K-Tec since new and they've been great.

I must be quite gentle on my brakes. The car's never been on track, but the pads were 60% worn on the front and 40% on the rear at the last service (about 25k miles) and discs were fine, so they should last a fair bit longer.
 

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Double the average costs that many 182 drivers incur and you must be approaching E46 M3 sort of money - saying that we sold a Boxster S last year and I'm not sure even that cost twice what my Trophy did.

Of course other things can go wrong, but it's a bit of a moot point because these, mostly, cannot be budgeted for - in any car. Standard 'overheads' can though, and from what I can gather fuel, rubber, other light consumables, brakes - are all fairly similar across the RS range, and yes I think very reasonable indeed for the kind of car. I'd like to compare them to a FRS - then I'm sure an R26 owner would feel positively minted.

I'm quite lucky in that my commute is barely 8 miles each way so fuel isn't a big issue for me, it'll be more to have some fun in on evenings and weekends. You can't put a price on the feeling a great car gives you, but it's still nice to know you can keep it in the condition that you desire...
 

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I just thought it important to clarify such points, because ownership costs (or more pertinently the worry of excessive ownership costs) are one of very few things that can stop someone from buying a car they truly desire, or selling one they already own.
 

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Just test driven a LY R26 and the avg. MPG was 20mpg.. but it didnt feel 'that' quick, even though it is...felt nice to drive and worlds apart from the 172.

I think once the Clio is back to standard I will be buying a 230 and if running costs are too much? I'll just pick myself up a nice 182 Trophy.
 

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I think the R26 is dead cheap to run, I've ran lots of cars and this is dead cheap, I mean brakes are dead cheap to what I've paid in the past and mine does an average of 30 mpg , £200 for services, insurance is £386 fully comp, like I say cheap as chips
 

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MJ I am , I'm 43 on the 18th of feb that's why I do so many track days , makes me feel 18 . Mind you they say your only as young as the lady you feel , lucky she's 35 lol
 

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Just test driven a LY R26 and the avg. MPG was 20mpg.. but it didnt feel 'that' quick, even though it is...felt nice to drive and worlds apart from the 172.

I think once the Clio is back to standard I will be buying a 230 and if running costs are too much? I'll just pick myself up a nice 182 Trophy.
You can do far worse than a Trophy mate, in fact to me, you can't do much better. I'm a bit like Chris Harris is on GT3 RS's when it comes to the Trophy - it's just a sensational little car. The ownership cost is genuinely 'reasonable' as well, seeing as now if the SACHS dampers do fail or start to weep, a rebuild will only set you back a few hundred as opposed to almost £3000+VAT for new ones.

I was very tempted to get another Trophy - problem for me is after having 007, the first customer car after the six press cars (I am fairly sure 006 is Harry Metcalfe's of Evo) I'd want that one again! It'll be on at least 75K+ by now though (65k when I sold her).

I've always maintained I'd never buy the same car twice but I honestly would another Clio, if I had a garage with enough room in it to store one. To me it's that special.

Very excited about the prospect of R26 ownership though. The thread wasn't so much an exercise to convince me either way, more just to find out what people actually think and experience - and not one person has said they think they are overly expensive to run, which is the jist that comes over from many, many of the other threads in pre-ownership.
 

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I have to say this thread has been very helpful 'wlshyd', I'm hopefully soon to be the owner of an r26 and I've been tying to fathom the real running costs, because I have seen plenty of 'how expensive' threads that have made the cars sound like money eaters. As has been said earlier, people only ever complain about the cars and costs when they go wrong! You really have to draw the good stuff out of people sometimes :)

Cheers for bringing up this thread! Now... Let's find a car.....
 

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My old 172 was alot cheeper to run. 40 mpg compared to 28. Tyres and brakes about 40 quid each cheeper. Etc.
I find the megane a very expensive car to own.

I actualy think an m3 would be cheeper to own.
 

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I have to say this thread has been very helpful 'wlshyd', I'm hopefully soon to be the owner of an r26 and I've been tying to fathom the real running costs, because I have seen plenty of 'how expensive' threads that have made the cars sound like money eaters. As has been said earlier, people only ever complain about the cars and costs when they go wrong! You really have to draw the good stuff out of people sometimes :)

Cheers for bringing up this thread! Now... Let's find a car.....
Good mate, I kinda hoped it'd help other people than just me - so many people's hearts must sink when they read some things on here but only iain c below has said, on this thread at least, that it is an expensive car to own - which I expected. If you go into ownership of such a car lightly and with your eyes closed to the 'real' costs you will/might incur then yes, almost everything will be a shock. I fully expected someone to come back and say they do find it expensive running an R26, as people's driving styles and daily routes are so different.

It's all subjective though, e.g. I don't see an extra £40 per tyre as overly expensive, but again due to my short commute mine will possibly last longer than average.

I was going to test some this weekend but I'm hiking in the lakes so it'll have to wait til next week!
 
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