[chris davidson]

I went to rotate my wheels today, front to back.

Buggered if I could get the rear right one off (yes, all wheel bolts removed). Looks like I'm gonna need a garage to do it.

Anyone else had this?

 

[HERC]

if its been a while since they were removed then then can rust on..

get yourself a bit of wood on the back of the wheel and hit the wood with a big hammer, it will come off eventually

Th other option is to put the bolts back in but NOT tighten them up fully (1 turn left) and move the car, the weight of the car and the movement should break the wheel free.

 

[jaybyme]

Had the same problem with mine, I just sprayed it will come off eventually with a bit of force.
You could also take the car out and get some heat into the brakes,then try it

 

[Mark250]

as herc said get some wood or a rubber mallet and give the wheel a hit

 

[bananaRS]

When you get it off clean the faces and a smear of copper greese will prevent this in future

 

[Dean182]

False economy rotating wheels unless your planning on selling soon!

 

[gttjames]

put 1 wheel nut in... not all the way tight, and get underneath car with copper mallet or rubber mallet, and hit inside edge of rim until it comes off, tip- rotate wheel as you spin and it will come off easier. Or same as above and get a bar and hook it in somewhere near a link etc then gently lever on the rim until it comes loose.

The when off, wire brush centre of hub of all corroshion and smear with copper grease, and same with inside of centre wheel

 

[framerateuk]

False economy rotating wheels unless your planning on selling soon!

How is it a false economy? It just saves having to go to buy new tires too often. I'd rather wait to wear out all 4 than get 2 changed at a time.

 

[BlackCup]

Thats wierd i just had this yesterday i had a puncture! Thought i'd never get it off so tried all the mallet thing, lowering it, highering it etc but in the end i kicked it and it came too just, then it easied off. Took it to the wheel place and it had 3 puntures! I knew i had a slow one anyway but thats just annoying! getting a new conti sc 5 fitted on saturday for £205 which wasn't exactly welcome at this time of year!

 

[chris davidson]

False economy rotating wheels unless your planning on selling soon!

Eh? Fronts have 3.5mm tread. Rears have 7mm tread. It's winter and it's a front wheel drive. Surely better to have more tread on driving and turning wheels on wet/snow/slippery surface.

 

[pete250cup]

Have a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5YsQ_a_ijA&feature=youtube_gdata_player you may have better traction setting off but once moving its a different story

 

[Brano]

Have a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5YsQ_a_ijA&feature=youtube_gdata_player you may have better traction setting off but once moving its a different story

Saw this video longer time ago and also for that reason i riding the front tires till they are good just for the bin, buy new 2 tires, they i am fitting on rear and the slightly wear off from rear just move to the front

 

[Paddy]

**** the above.

I have but today been to Morgan Tyres in Belfast.

I got 4 'part warn' conti sport contact 5 tyres, 235 40 18, (6mm on 2, 7mm on 2, mould nipples still visable)

For £210 fitted and balanced. Thats a £700+ saving on the same tyres new.

You got to love the Germans for their strict rules.

 

[conley]

Have a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5YsQ_a_ijA&feature=youtube_gdata_player you may have better traction setting off but once moving its a different story

Not that complete and utter crap, narrow viewpoint, one off road condition, limited vehicle type video again surely.......

What next, the Kwik-Fit chap with an IQ of 63 also said stick them on the back.

 

[White_R26]

**** the above.

I have but today been to Morgan Tyres in Belfast.

I got 4 'part warn' conti sport contact 5 tyres, 235 40 18, (6mm on 2, 7mm on 2, mould nipples still visable)

For £210 fitted and balanced. Thats a £700+ saving on the same tyres new.

You got to love the Germans for their strict rules.

Where did you get them from?? Do share

 

[bananaRS]

Not that complete and utter crap, narrow viewpoint, one off road condition, limited vehicle type video again surely.......

What next, the Kwik-Fit chap with an IQ of 63 also said stick them on the back.

cant we ban this guy ! he a cock !!

 

[conley]

cant we ban this guy ! he a cock !!

Ask yourself this - when braking in a straight line in the wet where do you want the best tyres? Answer: On the front.

Over to you for some intelligent discussion.....

 

[HVB83]

Though Conley is often very blunt in the way he expresses his opinion, he knows what he's talking about based on experience. As opposed to many others who are just talking hear-say.

In this case, he is right, though I can't completely agree with him. For an experienced driver, having the tires with the best grip at the front is favorabel at almost all times. Oversteer is much easier to solve than understeer if you know what you're doing, especially on a fwd car with lots of power. But for many people on here, it will become tricky if they have the rear step out too much. Many inexperienced drivers catch the first slide, let go of the throttle, overcorrect and then counter-react too late. Thus ending up in the ditch anyway... For them, understeer is more foolproof and easier to solve.

So for inexperienced drivers (eg, people who don't have racing experience or done many, many trackdays) I would probably recommend having the best tires at the back.

 

[conley]

Though Conley is often very blunt in the way he expresses his opinion, he knows what he's talking about based on experience. As opposed to many others who are just talking hear-say.

In this case, he is right, though I can't completely agree with him. For an experienced driver, having the tires with the best grip at the front is favorabel at almost all times. Oversteer is much easier to solve than understeer if you know what you're doing, especially on a fwd car with lots of power. But for many people on here, it will become tricky if they have the rear step out too much. Many inexperienced drivers catch the first slide, let go of the throttle, overcorrect and then counter-react too late. Thus ending up in the ditch anyway... For them, understeer is more foolproof and easier to solve.

So for inexperienced drivers (eg, people who don't have racing experience or done many, many trackdays) I would probably recommend having the best tires at the back.

You are right and there is no definitive answer where to stick a pair of new tyres as you can argue a valid case either way. It's very situation dependant.

That is the issue here, people blindly believe all that one size fits all, internet cut and paste, folklore mantra type stuff.

There is a huge swath of people that can’t think or see beyond it and get all stressed when it’s challenged. Case in point.

 

[kojak]

2 Good tyres on the front and 2 poor tyres on the rear will result in the back end stepping out if you lift the throttle into a corner thus resulting in oversteer which as the guys correctly said for an experienced driver is easily solved with opposed steering and power.

2 good tyres on rear and 2 poor on the front will result in understeer, the front will not steer into the corner as you would expect... This to correct is harder than oversteer.

In my opinion I would have the better tyres on the front in all circumstances.

Kojak.